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KFR RedBedlam

Joined: 19 Jul 2001 Posts: 8120 Location: RedBedlam
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Posted: Wed May 04, 2005 3:19 am Post subject: RedBedlam and Roma Victor |
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| Peisistratus wrote: |
| Okay. But first explain one thing... Why would RBL limit the amount that players can spend on sesterces each month? That is their revenue stream after all. |
I love the economy threads.
There's no reason I'm picking this post in particular (welcome to the forum btw Peisistratus) - but nevertheless it prompted me to stick my head out of the cave and share my thoughts and experiences.
I really just wanted to chime in and say that if we were just in it for the money then we'd have made, or been forced to make, many different decisions over the last few years. RedBedlam is a small, fully private and independent company. Both the pressures and basic requirements on our bottom line are much unlike those of most other MMORPG providers.
We are not held to the single goal of ever-expanding profits and maximising shareholder return etc. - nor do any of our excellent partners place any unreasonable additional responsibilites upon us.
We've always been very open about it being our aim to ensure that Roma Victor is profitable, but that profit's ultimate purpose will primarily be to ensure the longterm stability and growth of Roma Victor. That requires meeting hardware costs, bandwidth costs, legal costs, security costs, other overheads - oh and a few very modest salaries. Some of the team, myself included, are actually quite looking forward to drawing a salary one day - four years is a long time to run a project like this without so much as a single payslip!
There's been a simply unbelievable amount of personal sacrifice and dedication from a handful of tremendously dedicated and enthusiastic professionals behind the scenes here and that's definitely one of the things that I'm hoping to lift the veil on during the weeks and months ahead.
It's certainly one of the most significant factors in the low development costs of Roma Victor, which are in fact several orders of magnitude lower than some other MMORPG's in the marketplace today. Remember - most MMORPG releases start out with an immediate need to return millions of dollars.
With the VERM in place, we'll be able to monitor and manage the economy and the exchange rate dynamically. If people ever feel that they're not getting good value from their experience then they don't even have to stop playing - they simply have to stop paying. That's not something that you'll hear many Managing Directors offering their potential customers.
-KFR
P.S. VERM and Roma Victor are registered trademarks, all rights reserved, etc. etc.
P.P.S. We're starting the Commercial Test very soon! 
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tonofmonkeys Guest

Joined: 20 Apr 2003 Posts: 268 Location: toronto
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Posted: Wed May 04, 2005 3:34 am Post subject: |
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sounds like a good plan!
Commercial Testing .... YEAH.
i am looking forward to that.
tono _________________ "I never recall fighting godzilla, but that is so what I would have done"~Benders; second last line ever
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darkangel1778 Visitor

Joined: 03 Apr 2005 Posts: 28
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Posted: Wed May 04, 2005 5:09 am Post subject: |
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| Gah! Tease! Make the announcement, you can do eet! |
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Telakyte Participant

Joined: 30 Nov 2004 Posts: 259 Location: Hispania
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Posted: Wed May 04, 2005 6:47 am Post subject: |
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It's posts like these that boost the morale of all, and remind us why we are waiting for this game. Not just because of the concept, but the crew behind the concept. Hats off, and thanks for the word KFR. _________________ "Give unto Caesar the things that are Caesar, and unto God the things that are God's."
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Peisistratus Participant

Joined: 01 May 2005 Posts: 2867
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Posted: Wed May 04, 2005 8:49 am Post subject: |
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Thanks for the reply and the welcome.
However, I wasn't imputing a motive of greed on RBL's part. I'm sure that an appropriate amount of the profits will be directed toward improving RV even more. My comment was more of the nature, "Why is more revenue for RBL such a bad thing?" I felt the need to ask because some seemed disgusted that someone who plays infrequently may buy his way ahead of others. To me, that guy should not be begrudged whatever boost he receives, since his donation funds others. Even the real Rome had its share of Crassus types who could outfit personal legions.
That was the only intended point. |
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Protector Guest

Joined: 18 Dec 2004 Posts: 169 Location: Malmö, Sweden
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Posted: Wed May 04, 2005 8:55 am Post subject: |
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A good read and I'm sure that RV will be profitable.
These types of games generates alot of money.
Just look at project Entropia.
Someone actually paid 25000$ for his own island. |
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NulliSecundus Guest

Joined: 19 Apr 2005 Posts: 168 Location: Australia
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Synistor Guest

Joined: 21 Jul 2004 Posts: 157
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Posted: Wed May 04, 2005 1:20 pm Post subject: Re: RedBedlam and Roma Victor |
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| KFR wrote: |
Some of the team, myself included, are actually quite looking forward to drawing a salary one day - four years is a long time to run a project like this without so much as a single payslip!  |
Hats off to KFR . . . he da man
Great post btw. Very inspiring. I alsways love the so called "underdog" companies, they remind you of what gaming is really about . . . having fun
Keep up the great work. _________________
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MatthiusArifico Enthusiast

Joined: 07 Nov 2002 Posts: 4172 Location: Alberta
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Posted: Wed May 04, 2005 2:59 pm Post subject: Re: RedBedlam and Roma Victor |
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Will you marry me KFR?  _________________
"Whom the gods love dies young." |
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Kanoth Deity

Joined: 19 Feb 2002 Posts: 13000 Location: IN, USA
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Posted: Wed May 04, 2005 3:17 pm Post subject: |
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*Gets out his Dev Dictionary*
Hmmm....
soon
adv.
A common word used by Game Developers when describing events that are in the future. Unlike common English, "soon" in the developers world does not actually denote a timeframe.
other uses:
"very soon" "sooner than you think" "very very soon" "soon soon soon"
*any adj added to soon do not decrease the timetable
 _________________ "Rome wasn't coded in a day."
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Grenadier Visitor

Joined: 20 Apr 2005 Posts: 40 Location: Omaha NE
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Posted: Wed May 04, 2005 4:02 pm Post subject: |
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KFR,
Though I am eagerly awaiting the "Commerical Test (tm)" announcement, I do want to chime in and state that I think this sort of revenue model is an excellent idea.
For one, I think people who enjoy the game will donate actually more than the current industry standard $15 a month. The fact you receive something semi-tangible in-game for your money is a good idea.
I know a few people are worried about those who make 'the big bucks' suddenly purchasing 1000s of coins with their $2k contributions, but I think those folks are going to be few and far between. With such a large world, effects such as that will only make dents in small areas.
In addition, if you get 100 people making $1k contributions, that's $100k a month for game improvements Too bad Malcolm Forbes has passed on, because he was a wargame nut that would embrace this sort of project with a big contribution...
I would like to know, though, what you project as a player base, numberwise? For example, City of Heroes is currently around 125k subscribers, EQ2 at 375k, and WoW at 1.5 million. Considering that some of the appeal of the game will be towards non-traditional/current players (the historical aspect will attract Arts and Sciences students), and a part of the game not appealing to the traditional gamers (no magic/elves/dwarves), I'm curious  _________________
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wavern Participant

Joined: 21 Apr 2005 Posts: 179 Location: New York, USA
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Posted: Wed May 04, 2005 4:03 pm Post subject: |
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I have to say I prefer the English context of the word "soon" rather than the generic Dev terminology. Again I would like to thinkthat since this isnt a normal dev team "soon" realy is soon. =) _________________
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primuspilus Prefect

Joined: 04 Apr 2002 Posts: 2857 Location: Detroitium, Michigania
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Posted: Wed May 04, 2005 4:55 pm Post subject: |
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Trust us, 'soon' is the same here as it is in any project development.
I wouldn't be to distressed though, Redbedlam has been at this heading into the 5th year. I'm sure they would've loved to have the product done and available years ago. The nature of the beast though, to make a product they want without the overwhelming pressures of publishers and distributors, and under their own financial burden, sort of forces us to show some extra patience  |
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DaVeJones Fan

Joined: 27 Jan 2005 Posts: 983 Location: Canada
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Posted: Wed May 04, 2005 5:28 pm Post subject: |
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I really like redbedlam for a lot of things!! first of all their not like all big entreprise were the only goal is too make enormous profit from their crappy games!! like UBISOFT (god i hate these guys)!! second because they listen very closely to the community to make a very good and fun game !!!
I Wish i could shake your hands KFR!!! You just make my day MUCH better!! from all the community i would like to say thank you and wish you a bright future!  _________________
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Favonius Cornelius Contributor

Joined: 16 Dec 2004 Posts: 3160 Location: San Diego, CA
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Posted: Wed May 04, 2005 6:33 pm Post subject: |
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I think maybe RedBedlam is banking on the megalomania that comes along with having a lot of money. What a better promise than being emperor of all those around you for the right price? All it takes is some bored millionare.  _________________
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